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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Fuck it Up  part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/02/27/dont-fuck-it-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4528</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;to say ‘oh no, it’s got to be purely merit based!’ but then only find ONE female worthy is unimaginative and insulting.&lt;/i&gt;

Because that would mean that out of a population of 22 million, they can&#039;t find more than one woman who can chair a committee on the big stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>to say ‘oh no, it’s got to be purely merit based!’ but then only find ONE female worthy is unimaginative and insulting.</i></p>
<p>Because that would mean that out of a population of 22 million, they can&#8217;t find more than one woman who can chair a committee on the big stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Gianna</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/02/27/dont-fuck-it-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4526</link>
		<dc:creator>Gianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with the obligatory &#039;no disrespect to Cate&#039;...

yeah Helen, i cared too; i thought it was an unforced error; and i thought it was highly embarrassing for Labor.  geez, did Kevin really think the gender imbalance wouldn&#039;t stick out like a sore thumb?  to say &#039;oh no, it&#039;s got to be purely merit based!&#039; but then only find ONE female worthy is unimaginative and insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with the obligatory &#8216;no disrespect to Cate&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>yeah Helen, i cared too; i thought it was an unforced error; and i thought it was highly embarrassing for Labor.  geez, did Kevin really think the gender imbalance wouldn&#8217;t stick out like a sore thumb?  to say &#8216;oh no, it&#8217;s got to be purely merit based!&#8217; but then only find ONE female worthy is unimaginative and insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/02/27/dont-fuck-it-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4512</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Helen.. wow, things got busy here huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Helen.. wow, things got busy here huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/02/27/dont-fuck-it-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4508</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, I&#039;ve replied on the Blackroomjam blog. Awe-sum!

Back on topic, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/gender-bender/2008/02/29/1204226990267.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; Shaun C&lt;/a&gt; rudely refuses to get it in the Saturday paper today. Shorter Carney: I&#039;m a white male and I refuse to understand why non-white non-males would be so pathetic as to complain about non-inclusion in the heads of various consultancy committees, so I&#039;ll just bag them!  (AKA: refusing to listen; so what else is new in politics?)

As to the inclusion of more women as MPs and heading portfolios: Yes, we get it. but we also know the Labor party is an unregenerate old beast in some of its rightwing remnant back-eddies, and there are some characters that still won&#039;t get the non-white non-male thing unless constantly prodded. They can&#039;t just sit back and say &quot;well, we appointed Penny Wong and Julia Gillard so you can all just STFU and go away and we can just rest on our laurels, inclusion-wise, forever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, I&#8217;ve replied on the Blackroomjam blog. Awe-sum!</p>
<p>Back on topic, <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/gender-bender/2008/02/29/1204226990267.html" rel="nofollow">the <i>other</i> Shaun C</a> rudely refuses to get it in the Saturday paper today. Shorter Carney: I&#8217;m a white male and I refuse to understand why non-white non-males would be so pathetic as to complain about non-inclusion in the heads of various consultancy committees, so I&#8217;ll just bag them!  (AKA: refusing to listen; so what else is new in politics?)</p>
<p>As to the inclusion of more women as MPs and heading portfolios: Yes, we get it. but we also know the Labor party is an unregenerate old beast in some of its rightwing remnant back-eddies, and there are some characters that still won&#8217;t get the non-white non-male thing unless constantly prodded. They can&#8217;t just sit back and say &#8220;well, we appointed Penny Wong and Julia Gillard so you can all just STFU and go away and we can just rest on our laurels, inclusion-wise, forever.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H, sorry this is a bit off-topic...let me tenuously seque...high time we had more women power trio drummers, too...females smashing through the skin ceiling...erm...oh, bugger it...you up for a power trio jam some time, chicky-babe? I&#039;m fiddling with a new blog-jam idea, do you fancy smacking down a beat - even just some percussion, whatever - onto a wav/mp3 file to go vaguely with that Monk blues thing I recorded a few days ago? I&#039;m trying to figure out how easy (hard) it&#039;s going to be tech-wise to get an online jam session/musical mashup blog happening...just tech fiddling at this stage.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://rocknrolldamnation.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/lullabies/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trying to rope in Shaun C&lt;/a&gt; at RR Damnation to do some Claptoning on this track, r you up for the Ginger Baker thang?

If so &lt;a href=&quot;http://blackroomjam.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/welcome-about-the-black-room-jam/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more here&lt;/a&gt;. If not, cool...and again, pardon the OT. Could contain myself and wait for a general thread...mwah-hah-hah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H, sorry this is a bit off-topic&#8230;let me tenuously seque&#8230;high time we had more women power trio drummers, too&#8230;females smashing through the skin ceiling&#8230;erm&#8230;oh, bugger it&#8230;you up for a power trio jam some time, chicky-babe? I&#8217;m fiddling with a new blog-jam idea, do you fancy smacking down a beat &#8211; even just some percussion, whatever &#8211; onto a wav/mp3 file to go vaguely with that Monk blues thing I recorded a few days ago? I&#8217;m trying to figure out how easy (hard) it&#8217;s going to be tech-wise to get an online jam session/musical mashup blog happening&#8230;just tech fiddling at this stage.  <a href="http://rocknrolldamnation.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/lullabies/#comments" rel="nofollow">Trying to rope in Shaun C</a> at RR Damnation to do some Claptoning on this track, r you up for the Ginger Baker thang?</p>
<p>If so <a href="http://blackroomjam.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/welcome-about-the-black-room-jam/" rel="nofollow">more here</a>. If not, cool&#8230;and again, pardon the OT. Could contain myself and wait for a general thread&#8230;mwah-hah-hah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Grealy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Grealy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get over it! Watching the news this week, the faces I&#039;ve noticed the most have been Julia Gillard, Jenny Macklin, Penny Wong, and Nicola Roxon.  The Rudd government is filled with strong capable women with hard-working social consciences.  Australia is in good hands, more so than ever before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get over it! Watching the news this week, the faces I&#8217;ve noticed the most have been Julia Gillard, Jenny Macklin, Penny Wong, and Nicola Roxon.  The Rudd government is filled with strong capable women with hard-working social consciences.  Australia is in good hands, more so than ever before.</p>
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		<title>By: matilda</title>
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		<dc:creator>matilda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A genuine mechanism through which sparkling, fresh ideas could be channelled and incubated would be ongoing think tanks in specific areas eg: health, housing, education, womens issues, climate change and so on - not one-off whitebread blokey talkfests.    I also think local councils should adopt this type of community consultation. It would facilitate lobbying to State departments on public transport, over-development etc. But no level of government actually wants grassroots feedback that they are compelled to take seriously, we the people are simply an annoyance!  can you imagine the input big business will have at Kevin&#039;s gabfest?  

the Whitlam, Hawke/Keating &amp; Cain-Kirner govs were much better incubators of social change via community participation. Don&#039;t get me started on the Bracks-Brumby contempt for commoners. I&#039;m deeply involved in public housing issues - all of the consecutive ministers, Pike, Broad &amp; Wynne refuse to meet with public tenants on any issue, unless it&#039;s simply for a gratuitous photo opp.
 
As for dear Cate, apart from the Arts &amp; the fashion industry, she doesn&#039;t even cut it as a spokeswoman for working mums, in the sense that she would be travelling the world with an army of nannies and personal lackeys. I don&#039;t mean to be unkind, but she&#039;s a multi-million $$$ earning film star, for god&#039;s sake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A genuine mechanism through which sparkling, fresh ideas could be channelled and incubated would be ongoing think tanks in specific areas eg: health, housing, education, womens issues, climate change and so on &#8211; not one-off whitebread blokey talkfests.    I also think local councils should adopt this type of community consultation. It would facilitate lobbying to State departments on public transport, over-development etc. But no level of government actually wants grassroots feedback that they are compelled to take seriously, we the people are simply an annoyance!  can you imagine the input big business will have at Kevin&#8217;s gabfest?  </p>
<p>the Whitlam, Hawke/Keating &amp; Cain-Kirner govs were much better incubators of social change via community participation. Don&#8217;t get me started on the Bracks-Brumby contempt for commoners. I&#8217;m deeply involved in public housing issues &#8211; all of the consecutive ministers, Pike, Broad &amp; Wynne refuse to meet with public tenants on any issue, unless it&#8217;s simply for a gratuitous photo opp.</p>
<p>As for dear Cate, apart from the Arts &amp; the fashion industry, she doesn&#8217;t even cut it as a spokeswoman for working mums, in the sense that she would be travelling the world with an army of nannies and personal lackeys. I don&#8217;t mean to be unkind, but she&#8217;s a multi-million $$$ earning film star, for god&#8217;s sake!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just don’t destroy the Art and Ridiculous things part of that brain of yours, ay.&quot;

What do you mean &#039;part&#039;? That&#039;s all there is left of my brain nowadays...and the &#039;Art&#039; bit&#039;s struggling under the strain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just don’t destroy the Art and Ridiculous things part of that brain of yours, ay.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you mean &#8216;part&#8217;? That&#8217;s all there is left of my brain nowadays&#8230;and the &#8216;Art&#8217; bit&#8217;s struggling under the strain.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/02/27/dont-fuck-it-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4501</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering why I&#039;m so invested too. Specially since the talk-fest was from the start only for the elite by the elite - something I thought would attract more attention than it has.

The point of the list was that none of those things should matter. Like gender (unless the matter is gender centric)

I shall retreat my normal life now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering why I&#8217;m so invested too. Specially since the talk-fest was from the start only for the elite by the elite &#8211; something I thought would attract more attention than it has.</p>
<p>The point of the list was that none of those things should matter. Like gender (unless the matter is gender centric)</p>
<p>I shall retreat my normal life now</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They’ve got to pick ten people, ten people who’ve presumably demonstrated some ability to meet some requirements, who are willing, who are respected, who have the appropriate connections, etc….. I think you might be reading too much into their choice.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly. They&#039;re saying that in everything except the &quot;creative&quot; arts, women have no ability to meet the requirements and are not respected. And &quot;appropriate connections&quot;; that&#039;s a whole topic in itself about how social elites replicate themselves with others just like them, no?

In a population of approximately 22 million, you don&#039;t find that somewhat shocking? And you know, it&#039;s not like I&#039;m Robinson Crusoe here. Many more prominent and worthy people than yours truly have commented about it in the media in the last few days. Also, for someone whose line was &quot;who cares?&quot;, you seem incredibly ... &lt;i&gt;invested&lt;/i&gt;... in this thread. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever received so many comments from the same commenter for one post. Why the passionate defence of something you profess not to care about?

&lt;i&gt;I wonder whether it’s fair to take this as a demonstration of the governments attitude to women. Are any country folk included? Any unionists? any royalists (to truly mix the metaphors)? Any immigrants? Any Christians? Any parents? Any gays? Any PhD’s? any (ex) street kids?&lt;/i&gt;

I find this list disingenuous. Women constitute slightly more than 50% of the population and including members of these groups would not preclude making the representative a woman. (As they say, women are the only category where people speak of over 50% as a &quot;minority&quot; group.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They’ve got to pick ten people, ten people who’ve presumably demonstrated some ability to meet some requirements, who are willing, who are respected, who have the appropriate connections, etc….. I think you might be reading too much into their choice.</i></p>
<p>Exactly. They&#8217;re saying that in everything except the &#8220;creative&#8221; arts, women have no ability to meet the requirements and are not respected. And &#8220;appropriate connections&#8221;; that&#8217;s a whole topic in itself about how social elites replicate themselves with others just like them, no?</p>
<p>In a population of approximately 22 million, you don&#8217;t find that somewhat shocking? And you know, it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m Robinson Crusoe here. Many more prominent and worthy people than yours truly have commented about it in the media in the last few days. Also, for someone whose line was &#8220;who cares?&#8221;, you seem incredibly &#8230; <i>invested</i>&#8230; in this thread. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever received so many comments from the same commenter for one post. Why the passionate defence of something you profess not to care about?</p>
<p><i>I wonder whether it’s fair to take this as a demonstration of the governments attitude to women. Are any country folk included? Any unionists? any royalists (to truly mix the metaphors)? Any immigrants? Any Christians? Any parents? Any gays? Any PhD’s? any (ex) street kids?</i></p>
<p>I find this list disingenuous. Women constitute slightly more than 50% of the population and including members of these groups would not preclude making the representative a woman. (As they say, women are the only category where people speak of over 50% as a &#8220;minority&#8221; group.)</p>
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