Comments on: Crawling out of the woodwork http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/ A blog by an opinionated mother of two, which might lie idle for a while sometimes. The blog, that is. Sat, 05 Nov 2011 09:56:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: Godbags smacked down: Advertising Standards Bureau at Hoyden About Town http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4916 Godbags smacked down: Advertising Standards Bureau at Hoyden About Town Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:49:53 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4916 [...] You might remember a discussion on the Cast Iron Balcony about the panty-sniffing godbag scum who recently did a large letter-drop of graphic material advocating forced pregnancy as policy. [...] [...] You might remember a discussion on the Cast Iron Balcony about the panty-sniffing godbag scum who recently did a large letter-drop of graphic material advocating forced pregnancy as policy. [...]

]]> By: Helen http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4677 Helen Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:17:00 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4677 DD, Pike was quoted thus: ] <i>Ms Pike, who is strongly pro-choice and supports decriminalisation, said the model in Ms Broad's bill could mean "open slather" and "basically creates abortion on demand". She said she did not believe the bill would pass in its present form, as it removes abortion from the Crimes Act but "doesn't replace it with anything".</i> I'm saying that she may feel she is strongly pro-choice, but somehow she is squicked by "abortion on demand" which will lead to "open slather", so something (not specified) has to be put there as an additional hurdle. I agree that the unspecified hurdle/s could be partly to appease the catlicks, which goes with your interpretation, but the interview comments seem to indicate clearly that Pike doesn't trust women to do the right thing and is expecting frivolous aborting to ensue unless the criminal charge is replaced with... you know, <i>something</i>. Which is kind of pro choice, but not strongly pro choice. I'd say "kind of weakly and not very well thought-through pro choice." DD, Pike was quoted thus:
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Ms Pike, who is strongly pro-choice and supports decriminalisation, said the model in Ms Broad’s bill could mean “open slather” and “basically creates abortion on demand”. She said she did not believe the bill would pass in its present form, as it removes abortion from the Crimes Act but “doesn’t replace it with anything”.

I’m saying that she may feel she is strongly pro-choice, but somehow she is squicked by “abortion on demand” which will lead to “open slather”, so something (not specified) has to be put there as an additional hurdle. I agree that the unspecified hurdle/s could be partly to appease the catlicks, which goes with your interpretation, but the interview comments seem to indicate clearly that Pike doesn’t trust women to do the right thing and is expecting frivolous aborting to ensue unless the criminal charge is replaced with… you know, something.

Which is kind of pro choice, but not strongly pro choice. I’d say “kind of weakly and not very well thought-through pro choice.”

]]> By: Laura http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4676 Laura Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:24:54 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4676 We got that letter. I opened it thinking it was readers' digest or something. I was walking to the train station and I had to stop and catch my breath - I was so, so angry that some anonymous coward would dare to put something so perverted into my letterbox. I wanted to send it to Jenny Macklin (local member) with a very angry covering letter but I showed it to Dorian when I got home and he tore it up, just as angry as I had been. I was very pleased to read in various places that the stunt had backfired on the perpetrators. We got that letter. I opened it thinking it was readers’ digest or something. I was walking to the train station and I had to stop and catch my breath – I was so, so angry that some anonymous coward would dare to put something so perverted into my letterbox. I wanted to send it to Jenny Macklin (local member) with a very angry covering letter but I showed it to Dorian when I got home and he tore it up, just as angry as I had been. I was very pleased to read in various places that the stunt had backfired on the perpetrators.

]]> By: derrida derider http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4674 derrida derider Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:33:12 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4674 Hmm, my reading of that passage by Ms Pike is that her judgement is that abortion-on-demand is not <b>politically</b> possible at the moment and attempting to get it will just cruel any attempt to get a more permissive abortion law. IOW she doesn't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good. She may be right or wrong in that judgement, but it's not grounds for considering her conflicted or a hypocrite. Hmm, my reading of that passage by Ms Pike is that her judgement is that abortion-on-demand is not politically possible at the moment and attempting to get it will just cruel any attempt to get a more permissive abortion law. IOW she doesn’t want the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

She may be right or wrong in that judgement, but it’s not grounds for considering her conflicted or a hypocrite.

]]> By: Helen http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4668 Helen Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:11:29 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4668 Exactly, Sabina, that's the point I was trying to make only you managed to express it more concisely ;-) Exactly, Sabina, that’s the point I was trying to make only you managed to express it more concisely ;-)

]]> By: Sabina http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4667 Sabina Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:54:53 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4667 What is this ridiculousness about "abortion on demand oh noes!!1!" anyway? Isn't that the whole point - that if a woman decides she doesn't want to continue with a pregnancy, for whatever reason, then she is free to make that choice, and to act on it? They make it sound like a McDonald's drive-through, for goodness' sake. What is this ridiculousness about “abortion on demand oh noes!!1!” anyway? Isn’t that the whole point – that if a woman decides she doesn’t want to continue with a pregnancy, for whatever reason, then she is free to make that choice, and to act on it? They make it sound like a McDonald’s drive-through, for goodness’ sake.

]]> By: lauredhel http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4666 lauredhel Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:10:16 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4666 The website is at tellthetruth dot org dot au. Trigger warnings, but no graphics on the homepage at this stage (I can't guarantee it will stay that way of course). The website is at tellthetruth dot org dot au. Trigger warnings, but no graphics on the homepage at this stage (I can’t guarantee it will stay that way of course).

]]> By: Helen http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4665 Helen Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:56:19 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4665 Thanks Bluemilk! Marymary, Pike sounds very conflicted on Abortion. Here's a quote from the linked article: <blockquote> Ms Pike, who is strongly pro-choice and supports decriminalisation, said the model in Ms Broad's bill could mean "open slather" and "basically creates abortion on demand". She said she did not believe the bill would pass in its present form, as it removes abortion from the Crimes Act but "doesn't replace it with anything". "I'm very committed to wanting to have an improvement of the situation, but I don't believe this is an improvement and I don't believe this bill will pass. Not in its current form," she said. "We need to get rid of the crime but we need to put something into the Health Act to provide a framework and to provide guidance for the community and for the clinicians around the circumstances for abortion." </blockquote> So she's "pro-choice" and she'd like abortion to be removed from the crimes act but that should be "replaced with something"? In other words, we can't trust women and their doctors to make the right decisions, so we have to provide some other barrier, otherwise they'll be merrily abortin' away, every day, on every street corner- OMG no-one will ever even give it a second thought anymore!!1!1! Anyway, that's how it comes across to me. Doesn't make sense, and a "pro-choicer" who isn't really that pro-choice is not going to convince the opposition, I would think. Thanks Bluemilk!
Marymary, Pike sounds very conflicted on Abortion. Here’s a quote from the linked article:

Ms Pike, who is strongly pro-choice and supports decriminalisation, said the model in Ms Broad’s bill could mean “open slather” and “basically creates abortion on demand”. She said she did not believe the bill would pass in its present form, as it removes abortion from the Crimes Act but “doesn’t replace it with anything”.
“I’m very committed to wanting to have an improvement of the situation, but I don’t believe this is an improvement and I don’t believe this bill will pass. Not in its current form,” she said.
“We need to get rid of the crime but we need to put something into the Health Act to provide a framework and to provide guidance for the community and for the clinicians around the circumstances for abortion.”

So she’s “pro-choice” and she’d like abortion to be removed from the crimes act but that should be “replaced with something”? In other words, we can’t trust women and their doctors to make the right decisions, so we have to provide some other barrier, otherwise they’ll be merrily abortin’ away, every day, on every street corner- OMG no-one will ever even give it a second thought anymore!!1!1! Anyway, that’s how it comes across to me. Doesn’t make sense, and a “pro-choicer” who isn’t really that pro-choice is not going to convince the opposition, I would think.

]]> By: marymary http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4664 marymary Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:12:07 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4664 Thanks for the heads up, ready to letter write!!! I'm a bit oblivious at times, but I didn't realise Bronwyn Pike was on the conservative side. Thanks for the heads up, ready to letter write!!! I’m a bit oblivious at times, but I didn’t realise Bronwyn Pike was on the conservative side.

]]> By: blue milk http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/03/25/crawling-out-of-the-woodwork/comment-page-1/#comment-4663 blue milk Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:09:33 +0000 http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=494#comment-4663 Terrific post!! Terrific post!!

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