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	<title>Comments on: You&#8217;d think it was the Muppet show, but different Henson</title>
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	<description>A blog by an opinionated mother of two, which might lie idle for a while sometimes. The blog, that is.</description>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5438</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why thank you, Ms Milk. *Curtseys*</description>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5423</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post on the furore and its state of play.</description>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5229</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I had noticed that picture and I’d assumed that was why you chose it&quot;

Nope -- here in Adders, predictably enough, we tend not to get the Age unless we go out of our way, especially since it abandoned its brief but noble effort to become (at least to some extent) a national paper. Online only these days. But I used to teach Victorian literature so the picture is very familiar to me, and has &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; weirded me out -- although a bit of discriminating online scrounging before I posted it at PC has led me to conclude that the speculation about Dodgson&#039;s dodgy proclivities is probably a beat-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I had noticed that picture and I’d assumed that was why you chose it&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope &#8212; here in Adders, predictably enough, we tend not to get the Age unless we go out of our way, especially since it abandoned its brief but noble effort to become (at least to some extent) a national paper. Online only these days. But I used to teach Victorian literature so the picture is very familiar to me, and has <i>always</i> weirded me out &#8212; although a bit of discriminating online scrounging before I posted it at PC has led me to conclude that the speculation about Dodgson&#8217;s dodgy proclivities is probably a beat-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5227</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 03:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer lasting sex billboards make me laugh. &quot;Nasal delivery&quot;? is this some kind of new technique thing that I am yet to be educated about? Some variation on the Maori&#039;s nose-rubbing greeting? But they are inappropriate when you have an eight-year old girl in the car who asks what it means. 

But the horse has bolted in that regard long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer lasting sex billboards make me laugh. &#8220;Nasal delivery&#8221;? is this some kind of new technique thing that I am yet to be educated about? Some variation on the Maori&#8217;s nose-rubbing greeting? But they are inappropriate when you have an eight-year old girl in the car who asks what it means. </p>
<p>But the horse has bolted in that regard long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I think it does mean we have to reevaluate permission and adequate consent. The girl featured in the news reports may have felt fine coming out of the studio, but how does she feel now that the world media have made a meal of her? I wonder how some of her less mature peers might have reacted? Was she old enough to have foreseen this as a possible consequence?

I had a lot of sympathy for a throwaway line someone said in a news report, that there is no place for police to be raiding art galleries. Until I remembered that I had &lt;a href=&quot;http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=507&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted about an instance&lt;/a&gt; where it would be completely appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I think it does mean we have to reevaluate permission and adequate consent. The girl featured in the news reports may have felt fine coming out of the studio, but how does she feel now that the world media have made a meal of her? I wonder how some of her less mature peers might have reacted? Was she old enough to have foreseen this as a possible consequence?</p>
<p>I had a lot of sympathy for a throwaway line someone said in a news report, that there is no place for police to be raiding art galleries. Until I remembered that I had <a href="http://castironbalcony.media2.org/?p=507" rel="nofollow">posted about an instance</a> where it would be completely appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the elephant in the room here is what Kate said : Most australians are more familiar with porn than art. So that a lot of the critics have a wider experience of erotic or sexualised depiction (is all porn erotic? - I think not) than they have of art. 

Not all art is well done. A lot is clumsy and blunt  - just like porn. I see a lot of Juan Davila&#039;s stuff as a bit juvenile and clumsy and blunt and obvious.

There is wider awareness of child sexual abuse in the last 20 years or so but more acute in the last 5 years.  This does call for a re-evaluation the notion of permission, context and images.  Clearly no one would suggest that if a 13 year old person and her or his parents gave permission for a set of sexually explicit movies then that would be ok. 

How then are we to deal with permission of the young person (or parents) for unclothed or even clothed suggestive portraits in which sexuality is involved? The debate is needed even if the current  way it is framed is crude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the elephant in the room here is what Kate said : Most australians are more familiar with porn than art. So that a lot of the critics have a wider experience of erotic or sexualised depiction (is all porn erotic? &#8211; I think not) than they have of art. </p>
<p>Not all art is well done. A lot is clumsy and blunt  &#8211; just like porn. I see a lot of Juan Davila&#8217;s stuff as a bit juvenile and clumsy and blunt and obvious.</p>
<p>There is wider awareness of child sexual abuse in the last 20 years or so but more acute in the last 5 years.  This does call for a re-evaluation the notion of permission, context and images.  Clearly no one would suggest that if a 13 year old person and her or his parents gave permission for a set of sexually explicit movies then that would be ok. </p>
<p>How then are we to deal with permission of the young person (or parents) for unclothed or even clothed suggestive portraits in which sexuality is involved? The debate is needed even if the current  way it is framed is crude.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5218</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 08:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of the Victorian Opera, &quot;Through the Looking Glass&quot; at the Malthouse.

Strapline is &quot;&quot;I am real!&quot; said Alice, and began to cry.&quot;

I had noticed that picture and I&#039;d assumed that was why you chose it - but it certainly would be one which comes to mind if you were thinking of NQR photographs in history.

It&#039;s been cropped to waist height so she seems much more to be looking sidelong at you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of the Victorian Opera, &#8220;Through the Looking Glass&#8221; at the Malthouse.</p>
<p>Strapline is &#8220;&#8221;I am real!&#8221; said Alice, and began to cry.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had noticed that picture and I&#8217;d assumed that was why you chose it &#8211; but it certainly would be one which comes to mind if you were thinking of NQR photographs in history.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been cropped to waist height so she seems much more to be looking sidelong at you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5217</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 07:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;this photograph has stared out of the Entertainment pages of the local paper.&quot;

Good lord, has it really? Apropos of what? I know the image of old and have always been a bit spooked by it -- what on earth is it doing in the Entertainment pages of the Age?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;this photograph has stared out of the Entertainment pages of the local paper.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good lord, has it really? Apropos of what? I know the image of old and have always been a bit spooked by it &#8212; what on earth is it doing in the Entertainment pages of the Age?</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/05/28/530/comment-page-1/#comment-5214</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the reason people don&#039;t get angsty about the Alice Liddell picture, or Chloe, or ancient Greek urns, or the very rude etchings of witches I had to look at for uni for that matter, is that those works of art are old.

I imagine if the witch etchings had been recent photographs my lecturer would have preceeded them with some sort of warning (they&#039;re not just naked, there are broomsticks being put to unconventional uses). He probably wouldn&#039;t have used them at all if they&#039;d been recent photographs, what with being a lovely gentlemany type.

I started wondering this morning if Australians generally are more familiar with pron than art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the reason people don&#8217;t get angsty about the Alice Liddell picture, or Chloe, or ancient Greek urns, or the very rude etchings of witches I had to look at for uni for that matter, is that those works of art are old.</p>
<p>I imagine if the witch etchings had been recent photographs my lecturer would have preceeded them with some sort of warning (they&#8217;re not just naked, there are broomsticks being put to unconventional uses). He probably wouldn&#8217;t have used them at all if they&#8217;d been recent photographs, what with being a lovely gentlemany type.</p>
<p>I started wondering this morning if Australians generally are more familiar with pron than art.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the advantage of having seen a Bill Henson exhibition- about two years ago if my creaky memory serves. So I have a mental benchmark that&#039;s not just the few images committed to the press, which of course are the most shocking, because that&#039;s what the media wants.

There was one that was very disquieting (lovely word Su) to me, which was more suggestive of violence between the photo&#039;s subjects than between subject and photographer. On the other hand, many of his photographs don&#039;t feature nude bodies at all, because that&#039;s not primarily what he&#039;s about (I think). They&#039;re certainly very, very dark, all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the advantage of having seen a Bill Henson exhibition- about two years ago if my creaky memory serves. So I have a mental benchmark that&#8217;s not just the few images committed to the press, which of course are the most shocking, because that&#8217;s what the media wants.</p>
<p>There was one that was very disquieting (lovely word Su) to me, which was more suggestive of violence between the photo&#8217;s subjects than between subject and photographer. On the other hand, many of his photographs don&#8217;t feature nude bodies at all, because that&#8217;s not primarily what he&#8217;s about (I think). They&#8217;re certainly very, very dark, all of them.</p>
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