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		<title>By: The Seventh Down Under Feminists&#8217; Carnival &#171; Ideologically Impure</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/11/01/some-thoughts-on-muck-up-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7460</link>
		<dc:creator>The Seventh Down Under Feminists&#8217; Carnival &#171; Ideologically Impure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The proper care and socialization of one&#8217;s offspring is of course a matter of concern, and when you throw in a bit of capital-accrual-obsessed monopolization of the childcare industry, it&#8217;s Not as easy as ABC, skepticlawyer notes. Throw in &#8220;classy&#8221; all-boys schools teaching &#8220;Christian values&#8221; - only to have the rugrats go nuts on Muckup day - and really, Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony, it&#8217;s enough to make one want to retire to the conservatory with the G&amp;T. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The proper care and socialization of one&#8217;s offspring is of course a matter of concern, and when you throw in a bit of capital-accrual-obsessed monopolization of the childcare industry, it&#8217;s Not as easy as ABC, skepticlawyer notes. Throw in &#8220;classy&#8221; all-boys schools teaching &#8220;Christian values&#8221; &#8211; only to have the rugrats go nuts on Muckup day &#8211; and really, Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony, it&#8217;s enough to make one want to retire to the conservatory with the G&amp;T. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Seventh Down Under Feminists&#8217; Carnival &#171; Ideologically Impure</title>
		<link>http://castironbalcony.media2.org/2008/11/01/some-thoughts-on-muck-up-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7461</link>
		<dc:creator>The Seventh Down Under Feminists&#8217; Carnival &#171; Ideologically Impure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The proper care and socialization of one&#8217;s offspring is of course a matter of concern, and when you throw in a bit of capital-accrual-obsessed monopolization of the childcare industry, it&#8217;s Not as easy as ABC, skepticlawyer notes. Throw in &#8220;classy&#8221; all-boys schools teaching &#8220;Christian values&#8221; - only to have the rugrats go nuts on Muckup day - and really, Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony, it&#8217;s enough to make one want to retire to the conservatory with the G&amp;T. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The proper care and socialization of one&#8217;s offspring is of course a matter of concern, and when you throw in a bit of capital-accrual-obsessed monopolization of the childcare industry, it&#8217;s Not as easy as ABC, skepticlawyer notes. Throw in &#8220;classy&#8221; all-boys schools teaching &#8220;Christian values&#8221; &#8211; only to have the rugrats go nuts on Muckup day &#8211; and really, Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony, it&#8217;s enough to make one want to retire to the conservatory with the G&amp;T. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends of my parents who sent their kids to various elite private schools found themselves spending all of their children&#039;s teens trying to ensure that the parents of other kids didn&#039;t get their kids drunk.

When I was at St. Middle of the Road School for Girls Whose Dad&#039;s Are Bus Drivers we had to save up, and go to the bottle shop ourselves. Needless to say, we drank a lot less than kids who are handed the keys to the drinks cabinet and told to invite over anyone they like. Our parents actually acted like parents, and expected us to act legally, and to work hard. Then if we didn&#039;t work hard we knew we&#039;d have to live with the consequences. There seems to be rather a shortage of that in the upper classes these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends of my parents who sent their kids to various elite private schools found themselves spending all of their children&#8217;s teens trying to ensure that the parents of other kids didn&#8217;t get their kids drunk.</p>
<p>When I was at St. Middle of the Road School for Girls Whose Dad&#8217;s Are Bus Drivers we had to save up, and go to the bottle shop ourselves. Needless to say, we drank a lot less than kids who are handed the keys to the drinks cabinet and told to invite over anyone they like. Our parents actually acted like parents, and expected us to act legally, and to work hard. Then if we didn&#8217;t work hard we knew we&#8217;d have to live with the consequences. There seems to be rather a shortage of that in the upper classes these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A letter to the Age:

&quot;Xavier principal Chris McCabe says Nick Mooney wasn&#039;t bullied, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sounds like Jesuit sophistry to me, unless Mr McCabe means the wrong place is Xavier, and the wrong time is now.&quot;

They won&#039;t sack the headmaster, Jesuit sophistry is THE key selection criterion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A letter to the Age:</p>
<p>&#8220;Xavier principal Chris McCabe says Nick Mooney wasn&#8217;t bullied, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sounds like Jesuit sophistry to me, unless Mr McCabe means the wrong place is Xavier, and the wrong time is now.&#8221;</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t sack the headmaster, Jesuit sophistry is THE key selection criterion.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Celebration day&#039; has to be the dumbest idea for a name change ever. Quite aside from anything else, it&#039;s probably going to be a purely cosmetic change - next time a kid&#039;s leg gets broken, will it be in the name of &#039;celebration&#039;? 

Initial reports had it that the whole of year 12 was going to be suspended. I&#039;m not really sure what an appropriate punishment would be in those circumstances, but there probably were a lot of pissed off parents who would have argued, with some justification, that it would be punishing everyone for the actions of an irresponsible minority. 

Interesting to read these Xavier stories, my old flatmate was a Xavier boy way back, and he never told me anything like this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Celebration day&#8217; has to be the dumbest idea for a name change ever. Quite aside from anything else, it&#8217;s probably going to be a purely cosmetic change &#8211; next time a kid&#8217;s leg gets broken, will it be in the name of &#8216;celebration&#8217;? </p>
<p>Initial reports had it that the whole of year 12 was going to be suspended. I&#8217;m not really sure what an appropriate punishment would be in those circumstances, but there probably were a lot of pissed off parents who would have argued, with some justification, that it would be punishing everyone for the actions of an irresponsible minority. </p>
<p>Interesting to read these Xavier stories, my old flatmate was a Xavier boy way back, and he never told me anything like this!</p>
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		<title>By: brownie</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS  and of course - Yet &lt;i&gt;another&lt;/i&gt; most excellent post dear Balcony Blogger.

re govt funding: that woman I know whose child was in Tarquin, Algernon  &amp; Hugo&#039;s class, changed to the actual Summer Heights High for Year 7.
Used to working hard at school fundraising, She pitched up to join the SHH Mothers Club.
We don&#039;t have one, they told her.
&quot;So how do you buy computers for every child in Grade 2 like the school we just left?&quot;
Oh the Govt gives it to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS  and of course &#8211; Yet <i>another</i> most excellent post dear Balcony Blogger.</p>
<p>re govt funding: that woman I know whose child was in Tarquin, Algernon  &amp; Hugo&#8217;s class, changed to the actual Summer Heights High for Year 7.<br />
Used to working hard at school fundraising, She pitched up to join the SHH Mothers Club.<br />
We don&#8217;t have one, they told her.<br />
&#8220;So how do you buy computers for every child in Grade 2 like the school we just left?&#8221;<br />
Oh the Govt gives it to us.</p>
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		<title>By: brownie</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>decades old comment on Xavier: &quot;Parent pitches up to enrol son and Head says &#039;so want do you want him to be - a bookie or a football player?&#039; &quot;

I know of a Merton Hall party where parents were away and their furniture was flung in the pool by outta control teen drunks.

One goes to Xavier so one may play in the Old Xavs for years after, and have great AfterGameDrinks?

I lived in a house only a couple of years ago where college Year 12&#039;s celebrated their completion and dispersal. MANY of them (really) had 99.5 results.
The party went day and night for 3 days and the backyard looked like Keith Moon had been - I felt they were all just exploding from the STRESS of expectation by The Paying Parents. 

A gap-year is such a sensible break between levels.

A very good reason to send a child to a church school for 7 years, is so that they don&#039;t embrace obsessive cultism when older.  I am very close to a woman who chose a Primary church school for this reason.
After years of daily Chapel, the child goes &quot;christianity? = yawn&quot; 
(thank God. bwah ha)

No &#039;muck-up day&#039; in my &#039;day&#039;. We got HIT a lot by teachers.  Imagine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>decades old comment on Xavier: &#8220;Parent pitches up to enrol son and Head says &#8217;so want do you want him to be &#8211; a bookie or a football player?&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>I know of a Merton Hall party where parents were away and their furniture was flung in the pool by outta control teen drunks.</p>
<p>One goes to Xavier so one may play in the Old Xavs for years after, and have great AfterGameDrinks?</p>
<p>I lived in a house only a couple of years ago where college Year 12&#8217;s celebrated their completion and dispersal. MANY of them (really) had 99.5 results.<br />
The party went day and night for 3 days and the backyard looked like Keith Moon had been &#8211; I felt they were all just exploding from the STRESS of expectation by The Paying Parents. </p>
<p>A gap-year is such a sensible break between levels.</p>
<p>A very good reason to send a child to a church school for 7 years, is so that they don&#8217;t embrace obsessive cultism when older.  I am very close to a woman who chose a Primary church school for this reason.<br />
After years of daily Chapel, the child goes &#8220;christianity? = yawn&#8221;<br />
(thank God. bwah ha)</p>
<p>No &#8216;muck-up day&#8217; in my &#8216;day&#8217;. We got HIT a lot by teachers.  Imagine that.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz Ozzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xavier&#039;s got a bit of history of this sort of thing. As a potential customer of Melb private high schools, I keep track of these things. I assume that the other parents do to, and are seeking this kind of education for their children. They might argue that this is exactly the kind of education that best prepares their children for their working life (or &quot;the ruling class&quot;, as you say). In fact, I have spoken to parents who say exactly that. I assume that the parents you quote who talk about &quot;keep them away from the riff-raff, violence and bad behaviour &quot; choose schools other than Xavier. I would/will. 

As far as I&#039;m concerned, unless Xavier changes their headmaster as a consequence, they are not really trying to change things. And since I&#039;ve heard nothing about that, I assume they regard this as *only a little too much*, not a fundamental issue. And if this is the case, then they are indeed a disgrace to &quot;Christian values&quot;. But since they declare themselves as a Catholic school in the tradition of St Ignatius (Jesuit), I really expect nothing else anyway, since the Catholics started selectively abandoning Christian values centuries ago.

So, don&#039;t tar all christian schools with the same brush. But yes, there&#039;s clearly a problem here. And even as a probable customer of private high schools, I see no reason why the government should provide them with any funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xavier&#8217;s got a bit of history of this sort of thing. As a potential customer of Melb private high schools, I keep track of these things. I assume that the other parents do to, and are seeking this kind of education for their children. They might argue that this is exactly the kind of education that best prepares their children for their working life (or &#8220;the ruling class&#8221;, as you say). In fact, I have spoken to parents who say exactly that. I assume that the parents you quote who talk about &#8220;keep them away from the riff-raff, violence and bad behaviour &#8221; choose schools other than Xavier. I would/will. </p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, unless Xavier changes their headmaster as a consequence, they are not really trying to change things. And since I&#8217;ve heard nothing about that, I assume they regard this as *only a little too much*, not a fundamental issue. And if this is the case, then they are indeed a disgrace to &#8220;Christian values&#8221;. But since they declare themselves as a Catholic school in the tradition of St Ignatius (Jesuit), I really expect nothing else anyway, since the Catholics started selectively abandoning Christian values centuries ago.</p>
<p>So, don&#8217;t tar all christian schools with the same brush. But yes, there&#8217;s clearly a problem here. And even as a probable customer of private high schools, I see no reason why the government should provide them with any funding.</p>
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