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	<title>Comments on: Times On Line Journalist First Woman to Speak Up about Sexism</title>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a thought-provoking thread; thank you.

Rhetorical questions:   Is it wrong to wonder whether  --- similarly to covert domestic ops like Cointelpro that infiltrated Vietnam-era anti-war movements from within ---  the white radical feminist movement may have been infiltrated with turncoats in the nature of domestic double-agents charged to divide and conquer feminism as a viable political force for change?   How better to derail the liberation of women than from the inside?      

We as women are inherently very powerful, so much so that covert tactics may have been the only thing that would derail second-wave feminism.  Before, there was witch-torture to destroy non-patriarchal women, continuing there is rape and murder, along with modern sex-torture porn freely available to anybody online (including power tools to destroy permanently the tender tissues of the female cervical/anal platform, for example).  If so, what is our best strategy now?  Certainly pole-dancing as sex-pozzie &quot;liberation&quot; cannot be considered authentic feminism by any woman in control of her own mind, the body notwithstanding. 

Small wonder that sisterhood so far is not so powerful with global patriarchy aligned against us.  Maybe we must each claim our own true power as a start and refuse to let anybody (female, male, other animal) exploit us no matter what their stated or unstated politics.  We can learn to discount the rhetoric of women whose loyalty is questionable much as we intelligently ignore men when they are talking.  We can focus on behavior instead of rhetoric, no matter who is doing the behaving.  

Harriet Tubman is my hero.  Women remain today&#039;s virtual slaves of gender caste, because even prominent women only reach their status in step with the society men have made.  To paraphrase Tubman:  &quot;I freed 1,000 slaves; I&#039;d have freed more if they&#039;d known they were slaves.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a thought-provoking thread; thank you.</p>
<p>Rhetorical questions:   Is it wrong to wonder whether  &#8212; similarly to covert domestic ops like Cointelpro that infiltrated Vietnam-era anti-war movements from within &#8212;  the white radical feminist movement may have been infiltrated with turncoats in the nature of domestic double-agents charged to divide and conquer feminism as a viable political force for change?   How better to derail the liberation of women than from the inside?      </p>
<p>We as women are inherently very powerful, so much so that covert tactics may have been the only thing that would derail second-wave feminism.  Before, there was witch-torture to destroy non-patriarchal women, continuing there is rape and murder, along with modern sex-torture porn freely available to anybody online (including power tools to destroy permanently the tender tissues of the female cervical/anal platform, for example).  If so, what is our best strategy now?  Certainly pole-dancing as sex-pozzie &#8220;liberation&#8221; cannot be considered authentic feminism by any woman in control of her own mind, the body notwithstanding. </p>
<p>Small wonder that sisterhood so far is not so powerful with global patriarchy aligned against us.  Maybe we must each claim our own true power as a start and refuse to let anybody (female, male, other animal) exploit us no matter what their stated or unstated politics.  We can learn to discount the rhetoric of women whose loyalty is questionable much as we intelligently ignore men when they are talking.  We can focus on behavior instead of rhetoric, no matter who is doing the behaving.  </p>
<p>Harriet Tubman is my hero.  Women remain today&#8217;s virtual slaves of gender caste, because even prominent women only reach their status in step with the society men have made.  To paraphrase Tubman:  &#8220;I freed 1,000 slaves; I&#8217;d have freed more if they&#8217;d known they were slaves.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The silence of feminists? Or are people just not listening? &#171; A Rye View</title>
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		<dc:creator>The silence of feminists? Or are people just not listening? &#171; A Rye View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony argues it isn’t a case of feminists being silent, although she acknowledges those voices are rarely heard in the mainstream. She also criticises Turner for showing &#8220;a lack of knowledge or disregard of just what has been going on in the online world for the last decade&#8221; and picks up on the fact that feminists are often criticised for being silent on a variety of issues: &#8220;I’ve had it up to here with the “feminists have been silent about…” trope that springs up everywhere in the media both on line and off&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony argues it isn’t a case of feminists being silent, although she acknowledges those voices are rarely heard in the mainstream. She also criticises Turner for showing &#8220;a lack of knowledge or disregard of just what has been going on in the online world for the last decade&#8221; and picks up on the fact that feminists are often criticised for being silent on a variety of issues: &#8220;I’ve had it up to here with the “feminists have been silent about…” trope that springs up everywhere in the media both on line and off&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait.  &quot;Grim&quot; -and- &quot;sexualized?&quot; Is feminists&#039; fault?  Ok, that&#039;s a slightly new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.  &#8220;Grim&#8221; -and- &#8220;sexualized?&#8221; Is feminists&#8217; fault?  Ok, that&#8217;s a slightly new one.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, silence is not a fault I would ever accuse feminists of.  NTTAWTT of course.

On the rapist Polanski, apart from his morally bankrupt Hollywood friends and parts of the French goverment (who as a matter of principle refuse to accept that non-French laws should ever apply to Frenchmen) he has found very few supporters.  Neither should he.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, silence is not a fault I would ever accuse feminists of.  NTTAWTT of course.</p>
<p>On the rapist Polanski, apart from his morally bankrupt Hollywood friends and parts of the French goverment (who as a matter of principle refuse to accept that non-French laws should ever apply to Frenchmen) he has found very few supporters.  Neither should he.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many apologies to Boganette and Lizzie, stuck in moderation (first comment) all that time - I&#039;ve got a new blog admin upgrade and visually the new moderation system doesn&#039;t suit me as well as the old one IMO. I totally missed the fact that your comments hadn&#039;t been approved. Sorry about that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many apologies to Boganette and Lizzie, stuck in moderation (first comment) all that time &#8211; I&#8217;ve got a new blog admin upgrade and visually the new moderation system doesn&#8217;t suit me as well as the old one IMO. I totally missed the fact that your comments hadn&#8217;t been approved. Sorry about that!</p>
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		<title>By: M-H</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. Thanks Helen. I&#039;ve been here all along, soaking in it and writing and talking about it. As you point out, lots of much more articulate people have been too. And they have been routinely denigrated by mainstream newspapers. Now that the moral panic over the sexualisation of our culture has become a fashionable cause, suddenly the very forces that have ridiculed and silenced and ignored the women who have been talking about this as it developed have to find a woman to make it all nice and comfortable again.

Spare me.

And right on about the silencing that is occurring on some feminist blogs. It&#039;s sad how often a different angle on the subject under discussion, especially one that comes from an older woman with a different life experience, is not welcome. Yes, I&#039;m bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. Thanks Helen. I&#8217;ve been here all along, soaking in it and writing and talking about it. As you point out, lots of much more articulate people have been too. And they have been routinely denigrated by mainstream newspapers. Now that the moral panic over the sexualisation of our culture has become a fashionable cause, suddenly the very forces that have ridiculed and silenced and ignored the women who have been talking about this as it developed have to find a woman to make it all nice and comfortable again.</p>
<p>Spare me.</p>
<p>And right on about the silencing that is occurring on some feminist blogs. It&#8217;s sad how often a different angle on the subject under discussion, especially one that comes from an older woman with a different life experience, is not welcome. Yes, I&#8217;m bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this is just part of feminism reinventing itself with each generation.  It hurts to feel outmoded, especially when the new model lacks the features of the old model.  

Still, this new &quot;i&#039;m not an oldfashioned feminist so don&#039;t be frightened&quot; attitude is letting her write about how sick we all are of the porno at eye level in newsagencies - the stuff we edit out of our daily rant quota because we&#039;ve tried and failed.  Silver lining.

Re Polanski. I just don&#039;t get it.  She was a child, poor thing. He drugged her and raped her.  It&#039;s not possible for a child to consent.  Much less a child who has been drugged.  Much less a child who has been drugged and is trying to run away and repeating &quot;no&quot;.  The media commentators who contend that she somehow contributed to the rape are contemptable.  

Miranda Divine pointed out the other day &quot;If he were a Catholic priest arrested for child sex abuse 30 years ago there would be no pleas for leniency, nor should there be.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this is just part of feminism reinventing itself with each generation.  It hurts to feel outmoded, especially when the new model lacks the features of the old model.  </p>
<p>Still, this new &#8220;i&#8217;m not an oldfashioned feminist so don&#8217;t be frightened&#8221; attitude is letting her write about how sick we all are of the porno at eye level in newsagencies &#8211; the stuff we edit out of our daily rant quota because we&#8217;ve tried and failed.  Silver lining.</p>
<p>Re Polanski. I just don&#8217;t get it.  She was a child, poor thing. He drugged her and raped her.  It&#8217;s not possible for a child to consent.  Much less a child who has been drugged.  Much less a child who has been drugged and is trying to run away and repeating &#8220;no&#8221;.  The media commentators who contend that she somehow contributed to the rape are contemptable.  </p>
<p>Miranda Divine pointed out the other day &#8220;If he were a Catholic priest arrested for child sex abuse 30 years ago there would be no pleas for leniency, nor should there be.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Boganette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boganette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  Feminism has never been silent. The voices of those who attack feminists and women in general have just been so damn loud that the &#039;voice&#039; of feminism is often blocked out.

I am also kind of sick of commentators insisting feminism has to be fashionable and simple. Feminism isn&#039;t about slogans. I feel it gets so dumbed down in order to get mainstream appeal. All this girl power bullshit instead of having real dialogue about important issues.

Shit like &quot;Feminism — or whatever you want to call it — is back, and we’re not going to take it any more.&quot; just makes me want to barf. How about some respect for women who have been fighting the whole time these same commentators crapped on about how feminism wasn&#039;t fashionable but apparently now is.

And Tor I completely agree with you re: sex pos feminism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Feminism has never been silent. The voices of those who attack feminists and women in general have just been so damn loud that the &#8216;voice&#8217; of feminism is often blocked out.</p>
<p>I am also kind of sick of commentators insisting feminism has to be fashionable and simple. Feminism isn&#8217;t about slogans. I feel it gets so dumbed down in order to get mainstream appeal. All this girl power bullshit instead of having real dialogue about important issues.</p>
<p>Shit like &#8220;Feminism — or whatever you want to call it — is back, and we’re not going to take it any more.&#8221; just makes me want to barf. How about some respect for women who have been fighting the whole time these same commentators crapped on about how feminism wasn&#8217;t fashionable but apparently now is.</p>
<p>And Tor I completely agree with you re: sex pos feminism.</p>
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		<title>By: tor</title>
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		<dc:creator>tor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world has been incredibly hostile towards feminism for the last decade at least (more so than usual). We&#039;ve been talking, but no ones been listening.

I do wonder though if sex pos feminism (in its watered down, mass media form) has contributed to the mainstream&#039;s idea that feminism has not been challenging the increasingly sexualised culture we live in. 

&#039;Cause while sex pos feminism has good intentions, I do think that in championing things like burlesque as a feminist practice, it has allowed the mainstream to simply miss the point behind sex positivity and just be blinded by the boobies: &quot;Whooyeah! Stripping is feminist now!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world has been incredibly hostile towards feminism for the last decade at least (more so than usual). We&#8217;ve been talking, but no ones been listening.</p>
<p>I do wonder though if sex pos feminism (in its watered down, mass media form) has contributed to the mainstream&#8217;s idea that feminism has not been challenging the increasingly sexualised culture we live in. </p>
<p>&#8216;Cause while sex pos feminism has good intentions, I do think that in championing things like burlesque as a feminist practice, it has allowed the mainstream to simply miss the point behind sex positivity and just be blinded by the boobies: &#8220;Whooyeah! Stripping is feminist now!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: armagny</title>
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		<dc:creator>armagny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She writes for the Times. She&#039;s part of the problem. Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She writes for the Times. She&#8217;s part of the problem. Enough said.</p>
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